A lot of research for older G-Shock models has been gotten easier by the G-Shock Perfect Search (GPS) database, but this database only shows details of Japan releases. Sometimes you want to know more about models that were released in Europe or the USA a long time ago, to find out different color variations and pricing. I'm specially intereted in catalogs before 2000, as after 2000 I started collecting and I was there myself when it all happened. Luckily I have some older catalogs, which help me find information GPS doesn't provide. I have posted this catalog about 5 years ago on Watchuseek in the Articles section of the G-Shock forum. As I was looking for special information, I thought I will post it on 50 Gs also. I also re-vamped the photo's, as my photo edit skills have been improved a bit over the years. Expect more Catalogs to come. Enjoy.
Showing posts with label 1999. Show all posts
Showing posts with label 1999. Show all posts
Thursday, January 10, 2013
Sunday, June 3, 2012
G-Shock #25: An old friend falling apart.
Today I start with a series of Mudman articles, which I will try to continue during the month June. It will probably not be easy again to make a series of articles around one model, but since Casio released recently the 3rd generation Mudman, I think I can bring up at least 4 articles. I hope you find them interesting.
This article is not a happy one, I’m afraid. I thought it would be a happy one before I started it, but it turned out a bit sad when I gathered all my stuff together for this article. It is about my Men In Navy & Khaki (actually misspelled by Casio as Kahki, see above) Mudman, released December 1999.
I had mine stored in one of the boxes where I keep my watches that are worn and which I can choose from to wear . When I picked this one out of the box, I noticed the battery was dead. I took this Mudman to school, so I could replace the battery in a spare moment.
When I took the Mudman out of the back, I noticed that there was a crack in the bezel near the light button. It became even worse… When I had replaced the battery, the EL backlight did not work. Another AC reset and a close look at the back lid did not change a thing. It was dead and it stayed dead. Meanwhile, also the the light button part of the bezel began to crack further. Frankly I didn’t dare to look inside the case again, as the bezel might crumble completely then. During the photo shoot also a piece of resin fell off he light button. Not good.
It seems that the first Mud Resistant models were relative early victims of the so called Resin Rot. Resin Rot occurs as the weakeners (additives to plastics, to make plastic flexible and not brittle) vaporize out of the plastic. As the parts that cover the buttons are less stiff than the other parts of the bezel, these parts probably contain higher concentrations of weakeners.Therefore, the risk of the vaporizing of the weakener out of the plastic, making the button parts weaker, is seemly higher than for the normal used resin. A pity, as I very much love the early Mud Resistant models. The first Mud Resistant model was the DW-5500C from 1985. When I heard about this model for the first time (probably end 2003), most existing 5500’s already had broken of button covers. It was a pity that the revival of the 5500 with the G(W)-5500 the new bezels did not fit on the old DW-5500C.
The bezels for the 90’s Mudman, Gaussman, Codename and Raysman were probably produced with a better material. One of the (newer) triple 10 criteria is that the watch can be used for at least 10 years. Since my Mudman is now about 12 years out, it seems that the bezels last longer than the DW-5500C. By the way, even with a cracked bezel, the Mudman an other Mud Resist models, are still functional. It might have lost it’s Mud Resistance, but the watch is still 20 bar Water Resistant.
Casio is known for their bold futuristic innovations and designs in their watches. I have no experience with the DW-5500C, but the feel of the buttons on the DW-8400 Mudman is different from the new(er) Mudman of 2006. I think that Casio has developed a new resin type, which will probably last longer. Unfortunately the G-9000 model is not really old enough to really know if the durability is better. We simply have to wait probably at least 5 á 6 years to see if the bezel is really stronger. Now we are even already a new generation further as Casio has released the GW-9300 and G-9300 Mudman about a year ago (June 2011).
I got this Mudman in December 2002, 12 days before I bought my also precious Real Black Mudman. At that time I had no recourses for G-Shocks. I actually think I bought the Real Black Mudman earlier (actually won, since it was an eBay auction), before I won the auction of this Mudman, but as I got this on from the UK, it arrived pretty fast, compared with the Real Black Mudman, that came from East Asia.
I remember I saw the auction on eBay for this watch. I won the auction for a pretty low price. I do not know exactly what the final bid was, but I think it was around £30.-. I even remember the seller lived in Cornwall. He was very friendly and according his name he was East Asian. He wrote me that he had bought this watch in Hong Kong, while he lived there.
The watch had been used a lot when I got it, but I very much liked it’s color. I only recently discovered that the original G-SHOCK lettering on this model was orange. It had been gone long before I got it. The auction photo’s were not that clear. Digital photography was not that mainstream in 2002 and it would hardly imaginable that 10 years later we have mobile phones that take much better photo’s than a good compact camera then. I bid on the auction, because I saw the silver faceplate, which made this model stand out of my other Mudman. Also I liked the MUDMAN text, as my normal Mudman says “ILLUMINATOR”. I was happily surprised that the resin of this Mudman was dark khaki. As there were practically no on-line reference about all G-Shock releases at all in 2002, it took a while to find out this was a Men In Navy Kahki Mudman.
You probably might think what does this double color in this Men In Colors series mean. In this series Casio had 3 Master of G models in Khaki and 3 Master of G models in Navy. The three khaki models were the Gaussman, Mudman and Wademan. Two Frogman models (a DW-8200NK and a DW-9900NK) and a Gulfman were the navy models of this series.
You can consider the classic Mudman as a pumped up DW-6900 model. Unfortunately the outside of the case and the buttons are different, so it is not possible to swap bezels. The DW-8400 does also use the 1289 module, the classic “Triple Eyed Devil” module, commonly known of most DW-6900 models (not all DW-6900 have three eyes!).
So how do I feel about this Mudman falling apart. Well, as I still remember that I won this model and I really loved the looks. No, I feel indeed really sad, but these things happen. Casio’s “Team Tough” has stated that a G-Shock can fall survive a fall of 10 meters on concrete, can at least withstand 10 bar water pressure (100m water resist) and the battery should run for at least 10 years. With the introduction of the EL backlight, this was pretty impossible, but the last criterium was replaced with “A G-Shock has a lifespan of at least 10 years”. The older Mud Resistant bezel survived 12 years, but in my experience bezels can survive longer. With a lot of abuse, the resin can survive for about 15 years, but if a watch is hardly worn and kept in boxes, I think they will survive 25 years or longer. Still I have no clue why the EL backlight suddenly died. Luckily I have a relative recent photo of this backlight, so I can show it here.
Looking for a Men In Navy Khaki Mudman is a pretty hard job. I looked at Yahoo Auctions and I could find several “limited editions” Mudman models, including a good looking Real Black Mudman for ¥30,000, but no MINK Mudman. It’s pretty hard to put a price on this Mudman. Frankly, I would scratch behind my ears twice for paying ¥30000 for a mint loking Real Black Mudman. Simply because this model is getting older and older. The chance to become victim to resin rot increases pretty fast. If someone offers me a good looking MINK Mudman for around $100, I would probably buy it, if I have the money, but frankly I won’t ay much more for such a model. Simply because I don’t want to sped too much money on a watch where there is a pretty high risk of a cracking bezel.
This article is not a happy one, I’m afraid. I thought it would be a happy one before I started it, but it turned out a bit sad when I gathered all my stuff together for this article. It is about my Men In Navy & Khaki (actually misspelled by Casio as Kahki, see above) Mudman, released December 1999.
I had mine stored in one of the boxes where I keep my watches that are worn and which I can choose from to wear . When I picked this one out of the box, I noticed the battery was dead. I took this Mudman to school, so I could replace the battery in a spare moment.
When I took the Mudman out of the back, I noticed that there was a crack in the bezel near the light button. It became even worse… When I had replaced the battery, the EL backlight did not work. Another AC reset and a close look at the back lid did not change a thing. It was dead and it stayed dead. Meanwhile, also the the light button part of the bezel began to crack further. Frankly I didn’t dare to look inside the case again, as the bezel might crumble completely then. During the photo shoot also a piece of resin fell off he light button. Not good.
It seems that the first Mud Resistant models were relative early victims of the so called Resin Rot. Resin Rot occurs as the weakeners (additives to plastics, to make plastic flexible and not brittle) vaporize out of the plastic. As the parts that cover the buttons are less stiff than the other parts of the bezel, these parts probably contain higher concentrations of weakeners.Therefore, the risk of the vaporizing of the weakener out of the plastic, making the button parts weaker, is seemly higher than for the normal used resin. A pity, as I very much love the early Mud Resistant models. The first Mud Resistant model was the DW-5500C from 1985. When I heard about this model for the first time (probably end 2003), most existing 5500’s already had broken of button covers. It was a pity that the revival of the 5500 with the G(W)-5500 the new bezels did not fit on the old DW-5500C.
The bezels for the 90’s Mudman, Gaussman, Codename and Raysman were probably produced with a better material. One of the (newer) triple 10 criteria is that the watch can be used for at least 10 years. Since my Mudman is now about 12 years out, it seems that the bezels last longer than the DW-5500C. By the way, even with a cracked bezel, the Mudman an other Mud Resist models, are still functional. It might have lost it’s Mud Resistance, but the watch is still 20 bar Water Resistant.
Casio is known for their bold futuristic innovations and designs in their watches. I have no experience with the DW-5500C, but the feel of the buttons on the DW-8400 Mudman is different from the new(er) Mudman of 2006. I think that Casio has developed a new resin type, which will probably last longer. Unfortunately the G-9000 model is not really old enough to really know if the durability is better. We simply have to wait probably at least 5 á 6 years to see if the bezel is really stronger. Now we are even already a new generation further as Casio has released the GW-9300 and G-9300 Mudman about a year ago (June 2011).
I got this Mudman in December 2002, 12 days before I bought my also precious Real Black Mudman. At that time I had no recourses for G-Shocks. I actually think I bought the Real Black Mudman earlier (actually won, since it was an eBay auction), before I won the auction of this Mudman, but as I got this on from the UK, it arrived pretty fast, compared with the Real Black Mudman, that came from East Asia.
I remember I saw the auction on eBay for this watch. I won the auction for a pretty low price. I do not know exactly what the final bid was, but I think it was around £30.-. I even remember the seller lived in Cornwall. He was very friendly and according his name he was East Asian. He wrote me that he had bought this watch in Hong Kong, while he lived there.
The watch had been used a lot when I got it, but I very much liked it’s color. I only recently discovered that the original G-SHOCK lettering on this model was orange. It had been gone long before I got it. The auction photo’s were not that clear. Digital photography was not that mainstream in 2002 and it would hardly imaginable that 10 years later we have mobile phones that take much better photo’s than a good compact camera then. I bid on the auction, because I saw the silver faceplate, which made this model stand out of my other Mudman. Also I liked the MUDMAN text, as my normal Mudman says “ILLUMINATOR”. I was happily surprised that the resin of this Mudman was dark khaki. As there were practically no on-line reference about all G-Shock releases at all in 2002, it took a while to find out this was a Men In Navy Kahki Mudman.
You probably might think what does this double color in this Men In Colors series mean. In this series Casio had 3 Master of G models in Khaki and 3 Master of G models in Navy. The three khaki models were the Gaussman, Mudman and Wademan. Two Frogman models (a DW-8200NK and a DW-9900NK) and a Gulfman were the navy models of this series.
You can consider the classic Mudman as a pumped up DW-6900 model. Unfortunately the outside of the case and the buttons are different, so it is not possible to swap bezels. The DW-8400 does also use the 1289 module, the classic “Triple Eyed Devil” module, commonly known of most DW-6900 models (not all DW-6900 have three eyes!).
So how do I feel about this Mudman falling apart. Well, as I still remember that I won this model and I really loved the looks. No, I feel indeed really sad, but these things happen. Casio’s “Team Tough” has stated that a G-Shock can fall survive a fall of 10 meters on concrete, can at least withstand 10 bar water pressure (100m water resist) and the battery should run for at least 10 years. With the introduction of the EL backlight, this was pretty impossible, but the last criterium was replaced with “A G-Shock has a lifespan of at least 10 years”. The older Mud Resistant bezel survived 12 years, but in my experience bezels can survive longer. With a lot of abuse, the resin can survive for about 15 years, but if a watch is hardly worn and kept in boxes, I think they will survive 25 years or longer. Still I have no clue why the EL backlight suddenly died. Luckily I have a relative recent photo of this backlight, so I can show it here.
Looking for a Men In Navy Khaki Mudman is a pretty hard job. I looked at Yahoo Auctions and I could find several “limited editions” Mudman models, including a good looking Real Black Mudman for ¥30,000, but no MINK Mudman. It’s pretty hard to put a price on this Mudman. Frankly, I would scratch behind my ears twice for paying ¥30000 for a mint loking Real Black Mudman. Simply because this model is getting older and older. The chance to become victim to resin rot increases pretty fast. If someone offers me a good looking MINK Mudman for around $100, I would probably buy it, if I have the money, but frankly I won’t ay much more for such a model. Simply because I don’t want to sped too much money on a watch where there is a pretty high risk of a cracking bezel.
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Tuesday, July 6, 2010
#28 Titanium MR-G for the Toyota Cup.
In 1960 the UEFA and CONMEBOL (the European and South American tootball organizations) organized the Intercontinatel Cup for the first time in Spain. The winners of the UEFA Champions League and the CONMEBOL Copa Libertadores met eachother in the end of November or begin of December.
In 1990 the Toyota Cup was held for the 20th time. For this occasion a special MR-G model was made. I think someone made a small calculation mistake, because it was called the 20th Anniversary model for the Toyota Cup, but it was in 1999 actually the 19th Anniversary (you start counting from the first match, so the second match is at the first anniversary...). They meant the 20th Toyota Cup match.
I found this beautiful watch on eBay, not long after I had bought two other very special MR-G models. The title of the auction mentioned it was an MR-G and a Toyota Cupo model. Still I won this auction for a very good price. I think I paid around €100 for this model.
This special edition is based on the MRG-200T-8. If it was ever for sale, it should have cost between 57000 and 60000 yen. This model can't be found in the G-Shock Perfect Search. If you search for this model, you can probably only find my model. The text above the logo on the box "Many Thanks!" also suggest this watch was made as a gift. Since the MRG-200T was a high end G-Shock model, I guess this watch was given to staff members of the Toyota Cup.
I was very happy when I got this model. The seller was also happy the watch went to a real G-Shock enthusiast. He included a program of the 20th Toyota Cup. All matches can be found on the cover. The 20th match was between Manchester United (England) and Palmeiras (Brazil). The Toyota Cup 1999 was won by Manchester United with 1-0.
The classic metal MR-G models of the late 90's came in a beautiful leather covered box. On this box the logo of the 20th Anniversary Toyota Cup is printed on the cover. The MR-G logo is etched in a small metal plate at the bottom of the box.
As the model number already suggests, the watch is made of Titanium. The bracelet seems to been made of solid links. It seems that the links are chained by screws, instead of springbars or split pins.If you have pretty big wrists, you still might fit this model. The bracelet can be adjusted pretty good, because you can adjust at 1/3 of a link. Most G-Shock can only be adjusted at 1/2 link. .
The titanium used on this watch is dark gray. Not very dark, but much darker than stainless steel. It seems not pure gray, I spot a little brown hue in it, very beautiful. The watch itself is quite light for a MR-G. It's maybe not very light, but a stainless steel MR-G is pretty heavy.
The MRG-200T dates from 1997. The serial number tells us the watch was assebled in October 1997. The normal titanium version cost back in 1997 55000 yen. The Toyota Cup model does only have a special box and a engraved clasp. I think Casio picked these MRG-200T models from their warehouse and engraved the clasp. That might explain the relative long time between assembly and release (October 1997 - Noveber 1999).
MR-G is the top line of G-Shock (it was in the 90's and it still is with the recent models). The late 90's models were completely made of metal and divide themselves with that from the other G-Shock models. Also the look is somewhat different, thought the raised rim around the display and the screws on the front give these models a tough and sturdy appearance.
The module (1673) has some different functions, than what you normally find on a G-Shock.
First mode is Contact Mode. Here you can store up to 20 data sets, like telephone numbers. It shares the memory Identification Mode. In Identification Mode you also can store up to 20 data sets. You can input here data like passport numbers, credit card numbers and licence numbrs. I somehow can't recommend you to store credit card numbers here. A funny detail, the 1673 module can input both alphanumeric characters as katakana characters (98 characters in total).
Next mode is Vital Statistics mode. In Vital Statistics you can input your name, blood type and birth date. It is always good to input this data. Unfortunately I do not think that medical people will check your watch in case of emergency. It won't be a bad thing if this mode would be a common function on many watches.
Further the watch has the casual Alarm function and a stopwatch on board. MR-G models do not have a loud alarm. This is probably caused by the thick metal case.
The watch has a beautiful EL backlight. The color is a kind of soft green. I always liked the clear look of the EL of the MR-G models.
If you really are looking for this specific model, I'm afraid it will be a hard search. A MRG-200T can probably easier be found, though it is not a model you see often. I found an old sales post for one sold at $100.-, which is a steal. I think a good price for this oldie would be around $150 - $200 for the basic 200T model. It is hard to give value this model, just because you don't see it often.
Tokyo National Stadium
The matches were hosted in rotation in Europe and South America. Since 1980 the match was held on neutral ground in Japan. From 1980 to 2001 in Tokyo National Stadium, in the last three years in the International Stadium in Yokohama. The Intercontinental Cup became then better known for it's head sponsor, the Toyota Cup. In 1990 the Toyota Cup was held for the 20th time. For this occasion a special MR-G model was made. I think someone made a small calculation mistake, because it was called the 20th Anniversary model for the Toyota Cup, but it was in 1999 actually the 19th Anniversary (you start counting from the first match, so the second match is at the first anniversary...). They meant the 20th Toyota Cup match.
I found this beautiful watch on eBay, not long after I had bought two other very special MR-G models. The title of the auction mentioned it was an MR-G and a Toyota Cupo model. Still I won this auction for a very good price. I think I paid around €100 for this model.
This special edition is based on the MRG-200T-8. If it was ever for sale, it should have cost between 57000 and 60000 yen. This model can't be found in the G-Shock Perfect Search. If you search for this model, you can probably only find my model. The text above the logo on the box "Many Thanks!" also suggest this watch was made as a gift. Since the MRG-200T was a high end G-Shock model, I guess this watch was given to staff members of the Toyota Cup.
I was very happy when I got this model. The seller was also happy the watch went to a real G-Shock enthusiast. He included a program of the 20th Toyota Cup. All matches can be found on the cover. The 20th match was between Manchester United (England) and Palmeiras (Brazil). The Toyota Cup 1999 was won by Manchester United with 1-0.
The classic metal MR-G models of the late 90's came in a beautiful leather covered box. On this box the logo of the 20th Anniversary Toyota Cup is printed on the cover. The MR-G logo is etched in a small metal plate at the bottom of the box.
As the model number already suggests, the watch is made of Titanium. The bracelet seems to been made of solid links. It seems that the links are chained by screws, instead of springbars or split pins.If you have pretty big wrists, you still might fit this model. The bracelet can be adjusted pretty good, because you can adjust at 1/3 of a link. Most G-Shock can only be adjusted at 1/2 link. .
The titanium used on this watch is dark gray. Not very dark, but much darker than stainless steel. It seems not pure gray, I spot a little brown hue in it, very beautiful. The watch itself is quite light for a MR-G. It's maybe not very light, but a stainless steel MR-G is pretty heavy.
The MRG-200T dates from 1997. The serial number tells us the watch was assebled in October 1997. The normal titanium version cost back in 1997 55000 yen. The Toyota Cup model does only have a special box and a engraved clasp. I think Casio picked these MRG-200T models from their warehouse and engraved the clasp. That might explain the relative long time between assembly and release (October 1997 - Noveber 1999).
MR-G is the top line of G-Shock (it was in the 90's and it still is with the recent models). The late 90's models were completely made of metal and divide themselves with that from the other G-Shock models. Also the look is somewhat different, thought the raised rim around the display and the screws on the front give these models a tough and sturdy appearance.
The module (1673) has some different functions, than what you normally find on a G-Shock.
First mode is Contact Mode. Here you can store up to 20 data sets, like telephone numbers. It shares the memory Identification Mode. In Identification Mode you also can store up to 20 data sets. You can input here data like passport numbers, credit card numbers and licence numbrs. I somehow can't recommend you to store credit card numbers here. A funny detail, the 1673 module can input both alphanumeric characters as katakana characters (98 characters in total).
Next mode is Vital Statistics mode. In Vital Statistics you can input your name, blood type and birth date. It is always good to input this data. Unfortunately I do not think that medical people will check your watch in case of emergency. It won't be a bad thing if this mode would be a common function on many watches.
Further the watch has the casual Alarm function and a stopwatch on board. MR-G models do not have a loud alarm. This is probably caused by the thick metal case.
The watch has a beautiful EL backlight. The color is a kind of soft green. I always liked the clear look of the EL of the MR-G models.
If you really are looking for this specific model, I'm afraid it will be a hard search. A MRG-200T can probably easier be found, though it is not a model you see often. I found an old sales post for one sold at $100.-, which is a steal. I think a good price for this oldie would be around $150 - $200 for the basic 200T model. It is hard to give value this model, just because you don't see it often.
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